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000345
Sunday 01/18/2004 2:55:20am
Bobby
Bobbyinkorea@hotmail.com
Korea (American Stationed overseas)
I was interested in your website, but was actually looking for studies on a situation that I have. When I ejaculate, it is an overwhelming amount. Every girlfriend I have ever had has never known any guy to ejaculate as much as I do. The interesting part is, I have no "down-time", I am ready to go again, and can go many many times a day. Here's where it gets odd. There is no decrease in the amount I ejaculate. My orgasms are very intense and numberous. Have there been any studies on this sort of thing? If there hasn't, I'd be willing to help just to get some answers.
While there is no necessary limit to the number of orgasms possible where MRP is not an issue, your claim to apparent unlimited ejaculate supply would seem to stretch credibility just a bit. Unlike with quantity of multiple orgasms possible (for which there is no definable limit), the volume of the male ejaculate is very finitely limited by specific physiology.
Approximately 60% of the total fluid expelled during each ejaculation is stored in the seminal vesicles, each only about 5 centimeters long. An additional 33% or so of the total fluid expelled in ejaculation proceeds from the prostate gland, also a very small organ (i.e. about the size of a walnut). The final 5-7% is made up of actual sperm originating in the testicles and stored in the "ampulla", also only about 5 centimeters in length. All these organs, together with all fluids capable of being stored therein, would easily fit inside a 1/4 cup container.
Given these physiological facts, after the first one or two ejaculations there cannot but be some decrease in ejaculate quantity with each successive, fully ejaculatory multiple orgasm until, after approximately 6-8 such orgasms and ejaculations, semen supply is finally depleted. Stereotypically, thereafter only a miniscule amount of fluid will be expelled at orgasm, primarily from the Cowper's Gland (the clear viscous lubricating fluid known vernacularly as "pre-cum").
Thus to state that you orgasm and ejaculate "an overwhelming amount" "many many times a day" with "no 'down time'" in between while also claiming that "there is no decrease in the amount (you) ejaculate" with each multiple orgasm seems to us truly physiologically impossible given the inherent limitations imposed by the extremely limited size of all organs wherein the fluids comprising semen are stored.
In any event and to answer your question, to our knowledge there have been no studies documenting unlimited semen supply in males, multiorgasmic or otherwise. All we can recommend to you is that once you have returned to the U.S. you might wish to consult with a qualified urologist regarding your claims. Thereafter, we would be very interested in hearing back.
Best of luck to you and thank you for the entry.
000347
Thursday 02/19/2004 9:45:44pm
Private Message 347
000348
Wednesday 03/24/2004 3:55:22pm
Dave Z
California
Interesting subject. It looks like science is finally looking at the phenomenon and guessing about what it might be. There's a Parkinson's medication that appears to remove or significantly reduce MRP that's getting a little press. What I've read seems to point to the inhibition of prolactin release as the "magic bullet" for enabling multiple orgasm. I recently began using the herb "vitex" commonly known as "Monk's Pepper" because it's suspected action is prolactin inhibition. Guess what? It works! At least it's working for me. This effect on males is not mentioned anywhere! It's usually used by women for PMS or for relief of menopausal symptoms. Interesting, huh?
A most interesting entry.
While the evidence for decreased plasma prolactin resulting in a decrease in MRP is still very sparce, the initial research study seems to be encouraging to that end. What is additionally intriguing is your own experience with Vitex (Chaste Tree Berry), also called "Monk's Pepper."
Ironically, "Chaste Tree" gets its name from its reported ability to decrease sexual desire and promote chastity: "The Greeks and Romans used this plant to encourage chastity... Medieval monks were said to use the dried berries in their food to reduce sexual desire. As a result, it was also referred to as 'monk's pepper.'"
(http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_chaste_tree.htm)
While wonderful that for you "Chaste Tree" appears to work, the thousands of years' history in which this shrub's berries have been used specifically to decrease rather than increase sexual desire (and by extension, capacity) can't help but call into some question whether this plant's scientifically proven ability to decrease prolactin actually results in increased sexual functioning and multiorgasmic capacity in men. And specifically where decreased prolactin levels have been reported to decrease MRP and increase sexual functioning, the question must be asked why the exact reverse effect was observed by several different cultures and races (Greeks, Romans, Christians, etc.) using this prolactin-reducing supplement over those same thousands of years.
So many questions... and so few answers. Hopefully the day will come when these questions might possibly begin to find answers through actual dedicated research into this too-long neglected area of sexual response.
000349
Monday 05/17/2004 3:21:12pm
Derek
drd1@iinet.net.au
Perth, Western Australia
I'm a 38 yr old male and I've never had a refractory period. As long as I continue to be sexually aroused, my erection is maintained and I can only lose my erection after a few minutes of not thinking about sex. This is the case whether I've ejaculated or not. In other words, I can maintain an erection for as long as I want and having an orgasm has no effect on my erection at all.
I don't use any kind of technique before, during or after orgasm. In fact, I rarely bother using any kind of self-control, like trying to slow down or hold off my orgasm, because there's no point really. I like as many orgasms as possible, as quickly as possible and without a MRP there is no reason for me to hold back. My orgasms are always due to ejaculation. The Tantric ideas make no sense to me at all and sound more like self-torture than fun.
For me, each orgasm feels like several (maybe 5 or 6) strong pulses, which are distinct from each other and have a 0.5-1.0 second delay in between them. The first pulse is the strongest and each successive pulse is a little weaker than the one before it. Each pulse is accompanied by a jet of semen, with the first one ejecting the most volume at the highest pressure.
The first pulse from my first orgasm is often under so much pressure it can fly clear across the bedroom. My girlfriend really enjoys this and she usually wants me to withdraw just before I ejaculate, so I can squirt her with it. We measured the volume of semen produced from my first orgasm once. I ejaculated into a glass and then poured the contents into a metric teaspoon (5ml). It was about 1.25 metric teaspoons (6-7ml). It seemed like a normal amount for me.
Subsequent orgasms are the same as the first, except for the volume of semen produced. My second orgasm produces a lot less semen (about half as much) than the first one. The third one produces about half as much as the second. After my third orgasm, I only produce a tiny amount of semen, but it still feels like a full orgasm. In fact, it seems that my orgasms become more intense as the volume of semen reduces.
The time it takes for me to reach my first orgasm and the time between orgasms is completely variable. It depends on how much stimulation I'm receiving and how aroused I am, which of course in turn, depends on many factors. I would say somewhere between 5 and 20 minutes is normal for me.
I've never had more than 7 orgasms from one erection, but this is a limitation of my physical fitness (endurance) rather than MRP kicking in since I was still hard, but after about 90 minutes of continuous sex, my body was exhausted and my girlfriend was nearly unconscious. Even though we both enjoyed it immensely, we were very stiff and sore the next day, so we never pushed it quite that far again.
I'm really pleased to have found this website, because I've often felt that I was some kind of freak and I've had some embarrassing experiences talking to people about this. My sex-education teacher at high school and a doctor I consulted a few years later, both insisted that either I didn't understand what I was saying or I was lying about it. It was pretty humiliating, so I've kept it to myself ever since.
Well, that's all the relevant info I can think of at the moment. If there is any research being done on this, I would like to contribute in some way. I would be prepared to take part in experiments as long as they aren't painful or harmful to me. Even if it's just answering some questions, that would be fine.
Thank you for your entry. The detail given therein at times exceeds even that documented by the actual Rutgers Study. We are unfortunately unable to continue further study into this area due to current lack of funding. But we wish to thank you for your offer.
Assuming the accuracy of your report, it would appear you are also MRP free. Congratulations.
000350
Tuesday 07/27/2004 9:18:44pm
David Gee
After reading what David Z. had to say about Vitex enabling him to overcome the MRP process, I decided to try it. I've been taking 500 mg. daily of Vitex (bought from the local GNC store). So far, I haven't seen any changes, good or bad. I haven't had any downturn in libido or performance (as some would have predicted, given Vitex's history as the monk's pepper). But — I'm still firmly in the clutches of the MRP. Has anyone else here tried Vitex, and if so, had any luck with it?
Thank you for your entry.
Your experience certainly supports the skepticism expressed in my earlier reply to Dave Z. While perhaps not decreasing libido in your case, yet this substance's more-common names ("Monk's Pepper" and "Chaste Tree") certainly speak to its age-old reputation as a sexual inhibitor rather than an MRP liberator. Obviously if this substance helped decrease or remove MRP, it most certainly would not have been advocated by the Catholic Church in promoting the continued chastity of its monks.
This is yet another example of the disreputable depths to which modern profiteering charlatans will stoop in an effort to defraud men and turn a fast buck. And as discussed extensively at this website, this most particularly applies to the quack definitions now given "male orgasm" so as to better facilitate the promotion and sales of male "multiorgasmic" techniques.
I still await some new huckster's redefining of orgasm to include "sneezing", thereby making possible the slick re-packaging of pepper as a male "multiorgasmic" substance.
Already there are books being sold teaching men how to have what they call "psychic" orgasms. That's right, orgasm redefined as occurring wholly and solely through "psychic" means... no erection, no physical stimulation, and no ejaculation needed.
Then there's my personal favorite: orgasm re-defined as "...when the genital area is feeling better than any other part of the body." ("The One-Hour Orgasm" Schwartz & Schwartz, 3rd Ed., p. 2). With a definition like that, who isn't having "one-hour orgasms"?!
*Sigh* It is to laugh.
000351
Thursday 09/23/2004 2:46:10pm
Steve
Keep up the good work. I slowly started to lose my ability to get hard a second or third time in my early thirties. I will share this info with my wife. She thinks I'm selfish or uncaring to the point of shaming and humiliating me after sex. I find it depressing to be weak, soft and unresponsive when my wife still wants more. I can not understand why other researchers would object to this worthy goal. I think this would go a long way for the general and mental health of middle aged men and their wives. With some of the other entries I just wanted to add how I and probably other men feel. Thanks again
Thank you for your candid and important entry. Unlike many men who write in to report anecdotal and unverifiable occurrences of claimed multiorgasmic ability, yours is an honest email that expresses physically and emotionally what the vast majority of men worldwide experience. We too hope that someday continued research will finally be welcomed in this area rather than sabotaged, shunned, and dismissed.
000352
Saturday 09/25/2004 8:44:46am
USA
I am a 27 year old male who has always had the ability to achieve multiple orgasms. It never really occurred to me that this could be considered an unusual thing until reading more about the male sexual response in college and later on the web.
My own preference since the age of 13 has always been to have about 2 to 4 orgasms per session when masterbating, though once I did about twelve in an hour.
My wife and I however prefer usually only one or two full orgasms through vaginal intercourse. more tends to be to intense for her and for me, a lack of friction from to much lubrication after the first orgasm and ejaculation. The most we ever tried was four full ejaculatory orgasms, which was pretty tiring since it took about and hour and a half of intercourse.
Just out of curiosity, I thought I would try to unscientifically replicate this study experiment. the results I got are as follows.
Through self stimulation I achieved six full orgasms on one erection in a span of under six minutes.
1st orgasm, 54 sec after beginning stim., 3.5 ml semen
2nd 1:18 0.6 ml
3rd 1:47 0.3 ml
4th 2:02 0.5 ml
5th 5:29 1.1 ml
6th 5:48 0.2 ml
There was a slight loss in erection hardness between orgasms 4 and 5 but it was still fully erect after 6 for several minutes. Orgasm quality remained about the same, lessing a little towards the end. Semen quantities seemed normal.
A question if we may:
If prior to your claimed "experiment" you usually have only "2 to 4 orgasms per session, though once (you) did about twelve in an hour" and then with your wife "the most (you) ever tried was four full ejaculatory orgasms" that "took about an hour and a half of intercourse", how were you suddenly able to eclipse all of your previous 14 years of multiorgasmic experiences during this one personally conducted experiment in claiming "six full orgasms on one erection in a span of under six minutes"? Isn't that more than one every minute?
In fact, after checking the times claimed (first orgasm at 54 secs and last orgasm at 5:48), this works out to be only 4:54 from first to last orgasm. That's six orgasms in under five minutes.
What can we say except... that is truly unbelievable.
000353
Tuesday 09/28/2004 3:21:12pm
USA
In deference to your skepticism, I fully understand, I wouldn't have believed it either had I not timed the event. I will readily admit this isn't something one tries every day, one orgasm at a time is perfectly suitable and usually preferable for me.
In no way was I attempting to grandstand here, and certainly I realize it can't be classified as a real "experiment". I simply thought it might be of interest, despite the lack of verification.
Thank you for the response.
000354
Saturday 10/02/2004 6:50:37pm
J.B.
Illinois
I was delighted to revisit PUBMED after many years and see that German scientists had studied you and found the cause of MRP to be prolactin! Now they have done a follow-up study and given young males true multiorgasmic responses by prescribing Cabergoline to lower prolactin. See BBC story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm?x=236&y=11
Has anyone out there tried the drug? It is available for sale (very expensively) at love-drugs.com Finally, at last, a cure?! PLEASE?!
We would love nothing better! Unfortunately however, though we have been in touch with that particular German team and initial interest expressed in conducting research on our Rutgers Subject, no such research has yet been conducted nor has there been any further correspondence in possible preparation for such.
With regard specifically to this 2002 article, it will be noted that no actual study details are provided offering a clear picture regarding what exactly was documented and what it is they are calling "multiple orgasms."
In particular what concerns us is the report in the article provided that after prescribing Cabergolin, no actual scientific documentation of the claimed increased orgasmic capacity was conducted. Instead the subjects of the study were simply "interviewed" and by such unscientific methodology "reported their orgasm was better and there was a shorter refractory period." (note here that the word "orgasm" and not "orgasms" is used). Additionally, and most tellingly, a "refractory period" is still clearly claimed. Thus, given that a refractory period (loss of erection followed by recovery period) was experienced, no actual multiple orgasms could have been.
Of course, if Cabergolin is indeed successful in reducing MRP while also improving orgasmic functioning in men, well... more power to them! However this article provides no such credible evidence.
The only undeniable truth offered by this article is the fact that "The market for drugs like Viagra has swelled and is thought to be worth about £1bn. It is thought Cabergolin could have similar potential." As already seen, any supplement or drug claiming increased sexual capacity in men will find itself highly lucrative, even if its claims are unsubstantiated or highly dubious. Thus, as always... Caveat Emptor.
Thank you very much for your entry!
000355
Friday 10/08/2004 11:02:00am
J.B.
Illinois
I wonder why you so quickly discredit those like "n" who claim they always had multiorgasmic ability (like you). Your answer didn't really address his lifetime experience (he said "usually," etc. about a LIFETIME experience, and obviously it is easier even for us mere mortals to achieve more through self-stimulation than through intercourse, as he explained so well). The only thing that MIGHT have been SLIGHTLY off was the timing of his experiment — maybe yes, maybe no — we all know the vagaries of e-mail.
I greatly value your site and the research it has spawned but you seem to want to hold on to your "monopoly" as long as possible rather than have others get tested ASAP. That ought to be the proper answer. Rather than one "freak" who can be discredited by science, let them see that there are more than a few out there and the prolactin thesis (or other hypotheses) can be verified by more than one individual. That, too, would help science, no?
We do not feel we have been at all "quick to discredit" anyone's claims here, much less those of "n". Nor have we ever attempted to claim or establish any monopoly on this phenomenon. Instead we have worked hard to encourage any and all possible research into this area as might be conducted by any university, hospital, or other medically legit and capable entity.
Additionally, here at this guestbook there have been previous personal studies included here by others and, when such personal studies have not contained contradictory claims, we have congratulated them and encouraged them. Additionally, we have also stated that upon receipt of independent, legit confirmation, we would be happy to include any and all such here at this very website.
However, when in receipt of a claimed "study experiment" wherein the given multiorgasmic history so markedly differs from the results claimed (1-2 orgasms taking 1.5 hours being the "preferred" pattern, yet during the "study experiment" "n" claims to experience 6 orgasms in less than five minutes), we can not but regard such results with a healthy dose of well-warranted skepticism.
However, if "n" is able to find the means whereby his claims can be independently put to the test in a laboratory setting and verified by credible, objective witnesses, we would be happy to publish any such study particulars here, as well.
000356
Friday 10/08/2004 11:09:26am
JB
Illinois
The article referenced by the BBC article DID measure heart rate and blood pressure in addition to psycometric ratings of satisfaction. Moreover, if I could have "several orgasms in several minutes" (a refractory period of one minute), I don't care whether you think it is true or not — bring it on!
BTW, sites that sell Carbogelin recommend taking it with a small dose of Viagra to stay hard during the very short refractory period (1-2 minutes). Although I don't have ED, I have bought Viagra and can testify (this is verified by scientific study) that Viagra keeps one hard after ejaculation, so Viagra + Carbogelin = the best thing for us "mere mortals" now.
One problem with the study (which I read in its entirety on my university dbase): It doesn't state how many orgasms they had (or I couldn't read that clearly).
FYI: For readers of this site, there is a plethora of information on this and other sex-related topics, available FREE from www.pubmed.org If you go to a major university nearby, rather than just the abstracts, they will take you to the full PDF article (if you choose). A PUBMED search shows that many prior studies found that prolactin causes refractory periods in both men and women.
Your original entry on this subject (see 10/02/04 entry, below) has you referencing only a single article located at the BBC website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1949087.stm?x=236&y=11), which article makes no mention whatsoever of either heart rate, blood pressure, or "psycometric" [physiometric?] readings. And while we would love to comment on this latest piece of information, you still have not provided us a URL to the actual study you cite.
As with "n"'s post so also with your post here, we can only be expected to respond to the information provided us in each post. If a poster here omits information (e.g., the correct URL to the Carbogelin study) or provides erroneous or contradictory information (e.g., "n"'s multiorgasmic claims), we cannot but call such seeming inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and/or contradictions into question.
000357
Friday 10/08/2004 3:27:37pm
J.B.
Illinois
Here is the URL but I can't promise you can access it because my university has subscriptions to many e-journals. If it is a subscription-only, you'll have to go to a university library.
http://journals.endocrinology.org/joe/179/0357/1790357.pdf It states: "However, the investigators also registered this by online observation of cardiovascular measurements (rapid decrease of heart rate and blood pressure immediately after orgasm), and by subject registration ..." (sorry, I had trouble cutting and pasting and got to run).
Given that this URL is indeed not accessible to the majority of us who do not have university resources access, could you please provide at least the name of the Study you have quoted above?
Is that Study different from the 2002 Study you initially cited that is also found on our website at our homepage: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/ijir/journal/v14/n2/full/3900823a.html&filetype=pdf ?
Regarding "n" and others, I guess
a) the contradictoriness wasn't as evident to me as it was to you; and, more importantly, for any others
You are apparently far more comfortable speaking for others than are we.
b) is there any way to collect and funnel names and addresses to interested researchers? Perhaps a link on your web site? The government seeks volunteers for clinical trials through www.clinicaltrials.gov but it looks like most of this research will be overseas.
We have tried for years to interest researchers at dozens of different medical research centers and universities worldwide. Yet all such have shown themselves disinterested despite the already-documented and professionally published study available to them for consideration. Thus while appreciative of your suggestion the fact remains that if a university study funded, conducted, and subsequently published by the sexology community results in no further research interest on their part, what possible importance would such researchers place on website guestbook claims?
As for your clinical trials suggestion, all such research is designed to assist in locating research subjects with medical issues that can be studied and experimentally treated in a clinical environment in developing pharmaceutical solutions to same. This has been part of the stonewall we have run up against given that medical researchers are generally only interested in researching disability rather than super-ability. The medical mindset too often focuses primarily, if not exclusively, on problems it hopes to solve through revenue-generating medications.
I guess I was trying to find a more efficient way than to say, "great, glad you have them"; "nah, I don't believe you" responses to get to our shared goal of eliminating MRP.
You misrepresent the substance and tenor of our responses to guestbook claims. After approximately 5 years of guestbook entries, to the best of our recollection only to "n"'s claim have we expressed incredulity. And the only reason such incredulity was expressed is due solely to the inherent contradiction between "n"'s stated "1-2 orgasm"-in-"1.5 hours" norm and his subsequent 6-orgasms-in-less-than-5-minutes claim.
Despite the unbelievably small time interval between each claimed fully ejaculatory orgasm, we still would never have called "n"'s claims into question had not "n" also volunteered a fairly comprehensive history of his multiorgasmic activity since the age of 13 that shows no prior examples of such prolific orgasmic capacity. We are told the greatest number of orgasms he had ever had in his life was only "about 12 in an hour", which claim he states only occurred "once."
However if, despite his lifelong history of having far fewer orgasms per "session" in far greater blocks of time than that claimed during his claimed "experiment," he truly is capable of such superhuman orgasmic performances, we sincerely look forward to his pursuing an independently conducted and validated study and, upon completion and verification of same, we would be honored to place any and all particulars of such a study prominently at this website.
000358
Saturday 10/09/2004 9:41:25pm
J.B.
Illinois
I wrote:
Regarding "n" and others, I guess a) the contradictoriness wasn't as evident to me as it was to you; and, more importantly, for any others
YOU RESPONDED:
You are apparently far more comfortable speaking for others than are we.
NO: The underscored for any others refers to the following passage, not the preceding one:
b) is there any way to collect and funnel names and addresses to interested researchers? Perhaps a link on your web site? The government seeks volunteers for clinical trials through www.clinicaltrials.gov but it looks like most of this research will be overseas.
We frankly are at a loss to understand how the "for any others" in Paragraph "a" relates at all to your Paragraph "b". Nevertheless... let's move on.
This is why I eventually drifted away from the site. The moderator seems very touchy when people, such as myself, are trying to HELP. I'm not making any claims, I'm providing links and suggestions. I still think having a database of names might be useful to future researchers if anything happened to you. How could it hurt? AND there MAY be a pharmaceutical offshoot to this: Note the BBC article mentioned that this market may be bigger than Viagra if it is verified. Perhaps contact Pharmacia and Upjohn (makers of the Cabergolin)? Another suggestion — shoot it down, if you will.
We apologize if you have found us "touchy." We do not feel any reply here has reflected such an attitude and welcome any example of such as you might wish to provide. While we do not suffer gladly those who post factless flames nor accept without question those making highly questionable claims, yet we have always welcomed suggestions, questions, and sincere comments from all who post here and have responded with careful consideration and appreciation to all such.
With regard specifically to your own suggestion re: a multiorgasmic database, we did not simply "shoot (this) down" but instead replied with a clear explanation why we felt such would not be helpful. Our conclusion is that while theoretically and idealistically such a database might seem useful, yet we ascertained many factors that would immediately render any such "database" useless to professional researchers. First and foremost is the fact that there would be no way for us to separate potentially legitimate claims from false ones.
On the Internet, as you should know, anyone can claim anything with impunity where proof or strong evidence is not first required to back it up. And this inherent flaw to any such Internet-acquired database would be as obvious to any potential research group as it is to us. Now... as we have offered before, we continue to offer to publish at our main website (www.multiorgasmic.com) any and all particulars of any verifiable independently conducted and professionally witnessed study wherein multiorgasmic capacity has been successfully documented (i.e. no MRP in evidence). To accept, sponsor, and promote here multiorgasmic claims possessing any less-stringent guidelines would be to act unprofessionally and in fact to encourage fraudulent claims and enable those more inclined to submit same.
As relates to a pharmaceutical solution possibility and the profitability of such a goal, we have commented on this repeatedly at this site and here in this guestbook. This has additionally formed the major point in our discussions and emails with potential researchers. However all has, to date, fallen on disinterested ears.
And finally, as you have been kind enough to provide the Study title we asked for, we have successsfully found the Study Abstract and herewith provide the URL to it for all to enjoy and peruse:
(This URL provideshttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=14656205&dopt=Abstract verbatim the Study Abstract that you initially copied and pasted here.)
As is the right of us all, J.B., we do appreciate others' views and suggestions, even if we do not happen to agree with all of them. Disagreement does not constitute being "touchy," instead it is the hallmark of intelligent discussion.
000359
Sunday 10/17/2004 12:56:05am
J.B.
Back to the Rx Question
Depressed about my dismal, aging male orgasm (I'm 40+) and my wife's growing superorgasmic ability, I returned to your site and was livened by another study you posted (the 2002 U. of Essen study on Prolactin). Thank you! That led me to many others they had published, including the one on prolactin-reducing drug Dostinex (Cabergoline) allowing men to have multiples (I posted the abstract before but apparently it didn't "take").
Well, very excited, I started to search the Net for Cabergoline and Dostinex and found all sorts of black market (and regular) sites hawking it as a "super love drug" that will give men multiples. However, I don't know whether to trust a pharmacy from Mexico, and I haven't yet found verification on the Internet that men are actually having multiples from the drug. Apparently, however, it is a "hot" seller now.
Anyone tried it?
One user, on a site called Remedyfind.com, suffered low libido from antidepressants and said Cabergoline "made him feel like he was in his early '20s again"; however, no mention of multiples.
On the pharmaceutical potential: Dostinex (brand maker: Pharmacia) is out of patent but there are many articles besides the Essen ones on pubmed exploring its benefits, particularly for those suffering sideeffects from antidepressants and other drugs. Who knows? Viagra started as a failed high-blood pressure drug, I believe? Perhaps a company will come up with a newer prolactin-reducer with the same or better orgasm-enhancement effect? Have you brought that up with pharmaceutical researchers?
On the database: Yes, you are right; YOU can't separate the wheat from the chaff. The test comes when people have to "put up or shut up" when clinical trial docs actually start signing people up. The problem here is unique from other clinical trials where there are usually a mass number of people with the condition (e.g., "seeking chronic back pain suffers" is easy; seeking truly multiorgasmic males is extraordinarily difficult). There must be SO FEW real sexual superMEN out there that this provides some leads out of the billions of men available in the world. Moreover, a man with this ability would likely be attracted to site like yours. Just a follow-up thought.
Man, as I see my wife hit her sexual peak (late 30s) and have mindblowing, all-body orgasms that all blend together and last forever and ever, she "leaves the room" until she finally has one that makes her too sensitive. So the fate of the middle-aged man: Lots of work to please "the old lady," little gain. Oh well, at least she cooks me a nice dinner afterwards....
Great to see you back. And good points, all. :)
000360
Sunday 10/17/2004 7:13:03pm
J.B.
MSRI Web Site?
Any one familiar with this web site?
Groups Search result 25 for "male multiple orgasm"
Search Result 25
From: DonCasnova (doncasnova@aol.com)
Subject: TRUE MALE MULTIPLE ORGASM POSSIBE — EJACULATE OVER AND OVER AGAIN
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Newsgroups: alt.sex.erotica.market
Date: 1999/12/14
TRUE MALE MULTIPLE ORGASM POSSIBE — EJACULATE OVER AND OVER AGAIN
No gimmick or technique, but a GENUINE medical study.
The Male Scientific Research Institute is currently developing a new, prescription-only medical treatment for the male "impotence" which normally follows ejaculation.
This medication will eliminate the male refractory period and allow TRUE male multiple orgasms, each complete with ejaculation, one right after the other, for as long as desired with no loss of erection or sexual response. IMAGINE!
Boy, are we ever familiar with these individuals. This same webpage has been parked at the same free geocities.com site since 1999 (the year following the publication of our Rutgers study in JSET) claiming to have developed a "treatment" and curiously asking the Public to tell them how much they would be willing to pay for it.
Prior to the appearance of this webpage they had first contacted us making all sorts of claims and promises to having access to research facilities and expressing interest in researching MRP with us and together developing a prescription treatment from which we might all profit. In their correspondence with us, they claimed to be Dr.s Bruce and Pam Armstrong, which initially encouraged us to believe perhaps actual research might be possible in the near future. However as correspondence between us continued, it became increasingly clear that things were not as they claimed. This became apparent when even the simplest inquiries regarding themselves or the research they wished to conduct either went unanswered or were responded to with increasingly vague and/or wholly inaccurate information.
Then we learned that they had published a geocities webpage announcing to the world the claimed existence of a prescription-based multiorgasmic "treatment." We immediately emailed "Dr." Armstrong pointedly asking how such a "treatment" could be claimed when absolutely no research had yet been conducted.
In his reply email to us, dated February 7, 2000, "Dr." Armstrong revealed the fact that their claimed company, MRSI, Inc., like their claimed "treatment," did not actually exist:
"To be honest, currently MSRI is not a major organization by any means... we have not formed an official partnership agreement as of yet. ...I run the website, however this was primarily to spark public interest as well as to obtain preliminary market research data to gauge the market potential for such a prescription."
In our reply to these admissions of such blatantly disingenuous and unprofessional actions, we asked him point blank if he was actually a doctor, and if so to provide his credentials and bonafides for verification. To this request he has never replied.
Subsequent emails from us over the years were likewise met with complete silence. We have never heard from him or his "institute" again.
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Thursday 11/04/2004 1:32:12pm
Lynda
sososos@osos.com
Canada
Hmmmmm.... interesting. As a woman, I am hardly an authority on 'Male multiorgasmic responses.' But I did enjoy the site!
Lynda
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000362
Sunday 11/14/2004 8:02:55pm
J.B.
Illinois
Are you still married, as I recall from an earlier interview? (Correct me if I am wrong). With your "super" abilities, you must be hit on all the time by the best-looking women. I wonder how a wife would deal with that? How do you deal with the urge most men have for variety? Most of us are partly dissuaded by a) performance anxiety or b) the fact that sex isn't as great as it would be for a superstud such as yourself. I mean it's OK, but once you hit 40, even if you are in shape (I am), it's nothing to write hope about (speaking as one man in that category).
As this is apparently addressed to the Research Subject of the Study, yes, he is still married. As for being "hit on" by women, he no more advertises this capacity than do women who are also multiorgasmic. Nor are women as sexually motivated as are men such that female awareness of his capacity would cause such a reaction even were he to so openly proclaim himself.
With regard to your question on female variety, he does consider polygyny a valid and progressive long-term relationship alternative as well as particularly ideal for a man in his unique circumstances. However, he also recognizes that unless the women involved were as mutually attracted to such a relationship, it simply would not work and would be doomed to failure. And thus, given that human emotions and lives are involved, he has spoken often of the importance that men proceed very carefully where the tender feelings of females are concerned. As he likewise believes, men are often too easily ruled by their libidoes and thus can all too easily use, abuse, and mistreat those women they should have cared for, protected, loved, and treasured more.
Fantasy is one thing... but real life is another. And one should give at least as much thought and consideration to bonding with a second woman as ought to have been given in bonding with the first. However given all this, were another woman or women to be as drawn to both he and his wife as they were to her/them... then such a possibility might indeed end up fulfilling emotional and sensual potentials otherwise impossible to achieve. Of course as he has also expressed, realistically the chances of meeting another that would be so compatible are probably slim to none, anyway. So he's not exactly holding his breath on that one.
While these questions were addressed to the Research Subject, I feel fairly confident I have adequately expressed his views on these issues. And thank you for such erudite questions.
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Monday 12/13/2004 4:48:56am
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Friday 12/31/2004 12:53:27am
B
Massachusetts
After a few promiscuous years prior to marriage, I settled into what became a loveless (and eventually sexless) situation. I considered it a matter of sheer youthful enthusiasm that I could ejaculate two or three times per session with my girlfriends over the course of a few hours. Then came marriage and the proverbial end of sex. Now, some twenty years later (I recently turned 45), I find that I am capable of a sexual response that, in most respects, surpasses my youthful capacities and appetites: in fact, I recently had four, full-bore ejaculations in about 45 minutes from a single erection. This was done while masturbating, and the ejaculate volume diminished with each volley — though number three was quite full. I find that I can maintain an erection for two to four hours AFTER an initial ejaculation, and that orgasm is a matter of patience, enthusiasm and mutual encouragement. A good night's sleep is all that's' required to refill the reservoir, because I can usually have a massive ejaculation first thing in the morning as well. I must confess to being astonished that simply contemplating or discussing forthcoming sexual intimacy produces prodigious amounts of pre-cum; so much so that it stains through underwear and jeans a couple times a week! I might add that I have also managed to bring my body back to the weight and general proportions I had as a 20-year-old (thanks to Dr. Atkins and modest effort at the gym). Don't know if this fits in with what other guys are saying but the emotional content of the act is EXTREMELY important to me — far more now than before. I experience much longer orgasmic sensations and the volume of my ejaculate is considerably more than when I was younger, but then again, my feelings of love are considerably deeper and more "symphonic." One of the strongest stimulants to my continued orgasmic capacity is beholding my lover achieve ecstacy — as St. Francis declared, it is in giving that we receive. I believe that my desire for her fulfillment (sexual and beyond) adds a radiant, romantic backdrop to our lengthy and rewarding lovemaking sessions. Multiple ejaculatory orgasms are simply a natural extension of my soul's capacity and desire to fuse with my woman. We consider ourselves to enjoy love as Aristotle defined it: two bodies, one soul.
How wonderful for you that you have rediscovered your sexual capacity after so many years and have found someone with whom to share both your sensuality and your emotions, as well. Too few men realize the key role that emotions play in achieving together with women our mutual sexual potentials. Thank you so much for sharing with us all.
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